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Need accounting help/unique problem

15 years 6 months ago #147571 by JHB
You are getting into some accounting issues that probably beyond the scope of our volunteer suggestions. I'd recommend consulting a professional.

P.S. I thought the part of the question we were discussing was donation of capital assets, not "money" per se. But regardless, I think you need true accounting expertise to bridge the gap between the non-profit and for-profit.

Note - you may be able to find someone to donate the time. Or a simple consultation shouldn't cost that much (and the school should pay for it, in my opinion).
15 years 6 months ago #147557 by bonnieb
Then how does the school show that money coming in, if not income? It can't be a gift, nor can it be a loan. I guess if it's a gift, that might mean the non profit would have to explain why they gifted money to a for profit business. See it gets kind of hairy.
Yep, I'm the school's bookkeeper and the PTO's bookkeeper, and that's why I wonder about my own liability. I feel I need to guide them correctly and I'm not sure I am.
I appreciate everyones imput though.
15 years 6 months ago #147524 by JHB
Sorry - skimmed right over the "for profit" part.

The school should have an accountant that could answer that type of question. But I'm trying to imagine how/when they would pay taxes.

Sales tax - if you cirumvent sales tax by the PTO buying it and then giving the item to the school - that does seem like shady thing. I'd check with my state authority on how that should be handled. I suspect the purchase isn't eligble for sales tax exemption when purchased by the PTO.

IRS Tax issues - It's not income, so I don't think it would be counted there. When they dispose of the asset, I suppose Capital Gains could come into the picture.

Hopefully, someone else can weigh in. But I'm really thinking this is mostly a question for the school's accountant. (Or did you mean you are the school's book keeper and they don't have an accountant?)
15 years 6 months ago #147515 by bonnieb
I think the gift part is a problem because this is a for profit school. I know non profits can gift to each other much easier, but as best I can tell, for the PTO to give the gift, the school has to pay tax on it. Does that sound right?
15 years 6 months ago #147514 by bonnieb

JHB;147487 wrote: Yes, it is not unusual for a PTO to buy and donate assets to the school. Generally, it should be a true gift. While the PTO may have expectations of how the item will be used, the school becomes the full owner - responsible for the item and all future maintenance.

15 years 6 months ago #147501 by JHB
Based on previous discussions about this topic, I think it's been pretty well split for and against. You can always search the old topics for some of the discussions and views from each side.
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