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UGGHHHH! survey results

18 years 11 months ago #102131 by ptohyeah
I've said often this year that I wish we didn't have to have as many meetings because after the first 2 attendance goes way down but, the comment was made, "if you take away the meetings, people will really complain about not having a say or knowing what's going on." Your right, it is usually the board and a few highly involved members making decisions because they are the only ones coming to the meetings consistently. I kinda liked the idea of sending out the agenda. Or at least mention in newsletters what will be discussed. I feel like we waste so much paper as it is anyways. We've gotten alot of replies to our "How do we spend PTO funds this year Survey" so far. I figured we would on that subject. ha ha
18 years 11 months ago #102130 by pam1500
Replied by pam1500 on topic RE: UGGHHHH! survey results
I don't run a PTO, and I've never done surveys, or analyzed them, lol. Still, I sympathize.

You're doing so much advertising, I'd discount those who say they didn't know when the meetings were, etc. I suspect they're just saying that, because they don't want to say that they just don't want to go to the meetings. That makes them look bad. Or that the meetings are so far off their radar, they really don't remember them, well advertised as they are.

I go to some of the PTO meetings at my son's school, and I'll tell you frankly that I HATE them. Really. I go to a minimal number of meetings. That said, I am pretty involved in all kinds of activities.

So how to get more of an attendance? I can share some of the reasons I don't like the PTO meetings...

First, there's never anyone to greet you. If you walk in cold, and see no (or just faintly) familiar faces, it's daunting.

Our meetings are held in the cafeteria. The acoustics are TERRIBLE. I miss half of what's said, including nearly everything said from the floor (the PTO board has a mike). I never say anything, since I'm soft spoken and believe that I'd have to shout to be heard.

The whole physical set up is an invitation to snore-dom. The board members sit up front at one table, the rest of us are in this large cafeteria. There's no intimacy whatsoever, and makes this whole statement ("we're the board, you're not".) It's just uncomfortable overall.

You have to sign up to receive PTO minutes. I think this is a big mistake. Getting minutes to all members is a way to help them keep their finger on the pulse, and may slowly build up attendance.

The meeting agenda is handed out at the meeting. Another mistake, IMO. Knowing the agenda beforehand can spark interest.

If you don't attend every meeting, continued discussion on issues without recapping things can make people feel like they've walked in the middle of something, and make them lose interest.

Meetings can start late, sometimes as much as 20 minutes late, for no discernible reason. I find this VERY irritating.

Most of my complaints revolve around basic meeting management. Assuming people know when the meetings are (and that's not usually a problem), it's just:

Provide an agenda beforehand (if possible. This is not a huge thing. Post one in the school; use the email list, etc.)

Welcome people!

Start on time.

Be less formal. Formality stifles discussion. Make sure someone can rein in discussions that get out of hand.

Send minutes to people.

Express appreciation to people for coming. People will more likely come if they believe that their presence has been of some value.

Briefly recap, for newcomers, what has already transpired with ongoing discussions.

I kind of believe that huge PTO meeting attendances are a thing of the past (if they ever were hugely attended.) People are more likely to attend if their friends attend. I don't know. I attend maybe 2 meetings all year, and let me tell you, I'm ready to break for the door almost as soon as I get there, lol. Topics come up, I often have no idea of what they are talking about, I'm left wondering if I just missed what was said because the people behind me were laughing too loud. I always leave with the thought "I'll never get THAT hour back!" I have often wondered why this relic continues. With all the ways to communicate (many of which are not taken advantage of), added to the distinct impression that the real decisions are made during lively discussions elsewhere (by board members and highly involved people), this stiff, formal meeting seems to me to be a big waste of time.
18 years 11 months ago #102129 by ademom74
Ok, so Library Mom, what have you learned?
That people find it easier to find fault with others than to take ownership for themselves? That parents have limited attention spans and need to be spoon fed information? That no matter your intentions, 'no good deed goes unpunished'?

If I were you, I would forgo all parent surveys in the future. As you said, complaining without offering any solutions is the mindset of the day.
18 years 11 months ago #102128 by ptohyeah
I know EXACTLY what you mean. I hate doing surveys! don't get me started on meeting dates. Like you, they are on the school sign, in the newspaper, pto calendar/newsletter AND we send home reminders the night of......and yes people still have comments about it. I'm sorry, I'm not a personal assistant. If you can't write it down somewhere so you don't forget it then I guess we won't see you at the meeting. PTO is for responsible, willing, common-sense people. If you don't meet those requirements, then I guess you shouldn't join. ha ha It's the same with committees.......posted and plastered everywhere and NO I don't have time to call and beg people to participate. If you want to do something, show up and say how can I help? Ok, I'm hushing now. I'm getting aggravated just thinking about it. I feel for you Library! :D
18 years 11 months ago #102127 by library mom
UGGHHHH! survey results was created by library mom
I'm so upset that I feel that I could snatch some of these people bald headed!

Ok, sort of feel better now. Some people just iritate me with their comments, but admit that they are not a part of the PTO and do not volunteer at schooland have no interest in doing so. Let's complain about the problems, but not show any interest in solving them, is their attuide.

How much more advertising can we do about when the meetings are? I put them in the school newsletter, which goes out about 1-2 weeks before our next meeting, it's listed on the marquee board, it's listed on the monthly calendar that is sent home the first week of each month, a sticker is put on a page of the kids' homework, etc.

And I still got a lot of comments that they forget/forgot when the meetings are scheduled. That there's not enough notice, etc. What more can we do? Short of holding their hand and showing up on their door step, I'm at a loss.

Most of the results were postive, so I shouldn't let it bother me. The couple that really upset me was that they "wanted to see the results" of all the fundraising. Hello! Have you not seen all the new playground equipment that was installed when the school board pulled the old stuff out?????

I always list our goals, accomplisments, and what our balance is in all printed material.

OK, I could go on, but I think I've said enough. Thanks for letting me rant.
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