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question about tax laws

18 years 5 months ago #76705 by Rockne
Replied by Rockne on topic RE: question about tax laws

Originally posted by Critter:
Your income/expenses are reported on the school's annual tax return. That saves you some work, but it also means the school ultimately owns the parent group's money.

One correction to that, Critter -- "Your income and expenses *should be* reported on the school's annual tax return (or reporting)."

Your analysis is correct, but in my experience, often the funds of PTOs who use the school's TAX ID # aren't reported anywhere.

The technically correct choices are: a) independent and file on own; or b) part of school and school rolls your financials into theirs. But many, many groups exist in a c) world, that really isn't technically proper.

Tim

Tim

PTO Today Founder
18 years 5 months ago #76704 by Critter
Replied by Critter on topic RE: question about tax laws
If your PTO uses the school's tax id number, then you are an extension of the school, like student council or the orchestra, not an independent organization. No, you don't file a tax return. Your income/expenses are reported on the school's annual tax return. That saves you some work, but it also means the school ultimately owns the parent group's money.
18 years 5 months ago #76703 by Mary Graham
Replied by Mary Graham on topic RE: question about tax laws
Our PTO uses the school Tax ID # do we still need to file a tax return
Tkxs
18 years 8 months ago #76702 by pals
Replied by pals on topic RE: question about tax laws
JHB summed it all up and she is the expert! Two years back when I was doing our paperwork she walked me through it and it was painless! You can get alot of support on here!!

"When you stop learning you stop growing."
18 years 8 months ago #76701 by JHB
Replied by JHB on topic RE: question about tax laws
First issue - is your PTO a separate entity from the school? One of the easiest indicators is that you have your own bank account and PTO officers/members control how that money is used.

If yes...

You need to understand that the PTO is essentially a business - hopefully a nonprofit business - but still a business. And nothing is tied to how much sits in your bank account. It's how much incoming revenue you have during the year.

The EIN (Employer Identification Number) is your organization's taxpayer ID. It's like a SSN, but for a business. To get one, you file a one page form with the IRS. It can be done by mail, online, or even over the phone. That's easy - no big deal at all. Note - the paper form asks for an officer/director's SSN. That info is optional, but I'm not sure if you can skip it if you apply online.

The basic rule of thumb is - does your organization bring in more than $5000 per year (total, not after expenses)? If yes, it's expected by the IRS that you would formalize and go through the steps to become a 501(c)(3). To do that requires a fairly complex application (Form 1023) and a $500 fee.

If you are under $5000, nobody really cares. But if you are making more and aren't a formal non-profit, then you are just a regular business and should be filing a commerical return.

But before you actually file to be a 501(c)(3), there are some parallel activities at the STATE level. Do you want to incorporate? (Lessens individual liability.) In most states it's a simple form and small fee ($25-$50). But you need to check the rules/fees for your state. If you DO want to incorporate as a non-profit, do this before filing for 501(c)(3) status with the IRS.

Also at the state level you want to see what it takes to get your organization exempt from SALES tax, and state income tax if you have that. (IRS is FEDERAL INCOME Tax). To be tax exempt in your state, you may have a simple form to file. You might have to be a 501(c)(3) first.

When you are a 501(c)(3) - THEN the $25,000 rule comes into play. If you have more than $25,000 gross income, you need to file an annual informational return with the IRS. If you make less, it's optional to file -but there are some good reasons to do so voluntarily.

Another concept you need to understand is your fiscal (business) year. While most individuals file taxes on a calendar year, PTOs would more likely have a fiscal year that runs June-May or July-June, something that coincides more with the school year. So all this is based on the income during your fiscal year.

My own feeling is that there's a very high percentage of PTOs, Band Clubs, Athletic Booster, and other school related organizations that SHOULD be formally organized and aren't. It's not right, it may actually be illegal, but it's a fact. I'm not suggesting that makes it okay - but you are hardly alone in this. And it's good you are asking these questions.

There's lots posted on this forum. Just type 501 as search term.

[ 11-09-2005, 08:36 PM: Message edited by: JHB ]
18 years 8 months ago #76700 by ptowashcald
question about tax laws was created by ptowashcald
I have been approached with a very good question about tax laws. A parent told me that we should be filing taxes. I looked into it and found that we do not unless we have 25,000 in our bank account-which hasn't ever happened yet. Then I was questin about the 501(C)(3), what is that and how do I find out if treasure's of the past have filed one? What is an EIN#? I keep reading on other postings? Thanks
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