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zero tolerance for academics

21 years 5 months ago #64067 by loveya
Replied by loveya on topic RE: zero tolerance for academics
You Go Girl! THMETZYMOM, My sentiments exactly.
21 years 5 months ago #64066 by TheMetzyMom
Replied by TheMetzyMom on topic RE: zero tolerance for academics
While I see the point 'unregistered' makes, I think it is still too extreme for any elementary school.
I believe that you only have a few short years to teach your children to love school, to have good study habits, respect themselves and others, to teach them what rules are and the consequences of what happens when you don't follow them. Add to that their learning of the social graces and it adds up to an enormous amount for any child to learn. And yet, somehow, people find a way to justify all work and discipline? Pahleeeeese....
I expect my children to be children, my teens to be teens, and my adult child to be an adult. If I have done MY job right, and I believe I have, then there is time for them to be all of these things. Doing lessons in school is hard enough, do we really need to make school itself a lesson? Our children will enter adulthood one day and it is our job, not the schools, to prepare them. The school helps, but it still falls back to the parent when it comes to turning out a responsible adult.
Why make school a nasty place? I love that my kids WANT to go there each day. I can't imagine a place where they have to go, at that tender age, everyday that they hate. Sounds like a job to me...lol...
21 years 5 months ago #64065 by <unregistered>
Replied by <unregistered> on topic RE: zero tolerance for academics
While I think that detention should be used for more serious violations of school rules like disruptive behavior, or as a step in progressive disciplinary measures for students who present repetitive behavioral problems, using it as punishment for not turning in homework is a bit extreme.

However...

we cannot continue to reward our children for doing things that are already expected of them as suggested by "mykidsmom", otherwise when they make significant accomplishments, the rewards will be meaningless.

There is nothing wrong with an Attaboy once in a while or telling your child how proud you are of them, but face it, the rewards and praise lose their effectiveness as incentives when given all the time (leaving us searching for ways to "top the last one" and thus creating a society of materialistic, spoiled adults who think they should get a raise just because they show up to work on time.)

Cruel though it may sound, children need to understand that there are consequences for their lacking to do what is expected, and we as parents have a primary responsibility to enforce that in our homes and support our schools when they enforce it there.

There is always a compromise to every situation, though. Talk to school administrators, Board members and your district's superintendent. Get a copy of the entire policy (as public record you have a right to this information) and read it three times. Discuss it at your next meeting and gather input from teachers, parents and administrators. Ask about modifying the punishment from detention to, say, recess detention, being kept behind from art or gym class, or using homeroom time to complete the work. Then take 10% off the grade for turning in late work (did you ever get full credit in high school for turning in a late paper?) Ten percent off is certainly better than getting no credit at all.

Teachers will know who the "repeat offenders" are and be able to determine if domestic or other circumstances are hindering those students' academic efforts or if it is just plain laziness that prevents a student from completing his or her work.

Are there tutoring or mentoring programs in your school that at-risk kids can be enrolled in? If not, why not look into getting one started (a point of advocacy from your PTO). If you are in a middle or elementary school, check with the high school guidance counsellor to see if students there can become tutors or mentors in exchange for community service credits (most states require the completion of a certain number of community service hours for graduation). Your local senior center, fire department, churches, and scout groups are other great places to tap for tutors and mentors.

There are a number of questions to ask before one attacks a policy aimed at teaching the children personal responsibility and the importance of following directions. Imagine the society in which they would live if they aren't taught those skills.
21 years 6 months ago #64064 by TheMetzyMom
Replied by TheMetzyMom on topic RE: zero tolerance for academics
Juvenile Hall and Continuation schools don't even do this kind of stuff to their students! Granted, they probably should, but not kids who haven't been in some sort of continuous trouble.

We have a charter school that has some pretty strict rules, but even they don't go that far.

I will say this, I wouldn't send my children to that school!
21 years 6 months ago #64063 by KC Swan
Replied by KC Swan on topic RE: zero tolerance for academics
First question that comes to mind: what grades are the students in who are being subjected to this program? The middle school has a (non-zero tolerance) program, but it would be completely inappropriate for the elementary school.

Am I to understand that the child will get detention, and then when completed there will still be a 10% penalty? "Hey kid, we may treat you like a hoodlum, but at least we lower your grades too!"

I guess if the purpose is to provide disincentive for failure to complete an assignment, they've got that going for them. But while we're at it, let's go ahead and give these kids some real disincentive! Why not also only allow the kid tepid water and stale bread for lunch? Or maybe read a list of their names during the morning announcements. I would suggest putting them in stocks during recess, but I think that is when they are supposed to be completing the assignment -- if not, GO FOR IT!
21 years 6 months ago #64062 by mykidsmom
Sorry but I'm with KC on this one. Is there ANY positive for getting your work in on time, assinments in order...? I just can't see how a little child ca benefit from an all work and no fun policy? Of course repeat offenders should be addressed but is there anything done for the students that follow the straight and (very) narrow? My daughter's class gets a "Read In" an afternoon they spend reading their favorite book in their slippers and sleeping bags. This is only if there are no missing assinments on the board and they have had a great month of behavior. She loves it and her outlook of the sixth grade has improved so much!

How do the other parents feel about this zero tolerance?
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