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Transfering existing PTA money to PTO

19 years 5 months ago #76372 by Rockne
Check your bylaws, Patti. See what they say about dissolution. I *think* what you're proposing is OK. Not an attorney, though. You can also call the IRS nonprofit helpline. They're terrific. ( www.irs.gov )

There's always more than one way to skin this cat. I've never seen a single changing-over group lose their funds. Don't worry. If the straight transfer doesn't work, you could donate the playground funds to a school-affiliated "playground account" (provided district cooperated). You could even put an advance deposit on the actual equipment. There's definitely no law that says the PTA can't pay for half and the PTO for the other half.

Glad to brainstorm more, if need be.

Tim

PTO Today Founder
19 years 5 months ago #76371 by Patti Broccoli
Replied by Patti Broccoli on topic RE: Transfering existing PTA money to PTO
Tim - I am in the same district as lkulback and therefore am still a bit unclear about the tranfer of funds. The new PTO will be a 501 (c)3 prior to the actual tranfer of funds from PTA to PTO account. Won't that then enable us to legally make the shift from one to another. We are not planning to formally disafiliate from NJ PTA until after the fund transfer has taken place. Is that what you cwould recommend. Spending down is out f the question as we have an ongoing playground fundraising project underway and we are about half way there.
Thanks,
pabrocc
19 years 5 months ago #76370 by Rockne

Originally posted by Jan V.:
Ikulback,

You can't legally transfer the money from a PTA to a PTO.

Not always true, JanV. For the most part, the IRS regs require that the leftover assets of a 501c3 go to another 501c3. And many PTOs are 501c3. If a disbanding PTA sent its leftover assets to a newly formed (official 501c3) PTO -- especially one with exact/nearly same mission/beneficiary as the original PTA -- then IRS likely would see that as fine.

Tim

PTO Today Founder
19 years 5 months ago #76369 by Jan V.
Replied by Jan V. on topic RE: Transfering existing PTA money to PTO
Ikulback,

You can't legally transfer the money from a PTA to a PTO. Because a PTA is a 501(c)3 organization and part of the National PTA's umbrella group, there are very specific guidelines on how to get rid of any remaining funds if a PTA ceases operations. You could get into very hot legal waters by transferring the money, so you're best off, as others have suggested, to spend the money within the guidelines of the existing PTA budget. Otherwise, consult your state PTA before doing anything else with the money.
19 years 6 months ago #76368 by Rockne
Hi lkulback -

Depends on several factors:

1. Where are you in the process? If you have lots of time before the actual/official disbandment of your PTA, then easiest thing to do is just spend down the PTA funds to zero heading up to that date.

2.What state are you in? How officious is your state PTA? If you're not getting any guff (as you shouldn't), then a simple transfer will probably work. If you expect to take some guff, then that kind of transfer can be a lightning-rod for controversy. If you're expecting questions, then you may be better off donating the funds to your school. Six months later, if you're school decides to donate the funds to your new PTO, they can do that (but know that funds will be the school's and there's no guarantee you'll get that second donation.)

3. Is your new PTO up-and-running and in 501(c)(3) process? Most PTA disbandment (and more importantly all IRS 501(c)(3) disbandment) procedures require that funds remaining when a 501 is disbanded go toward another 501. If your new PTO isn't going to be a 501, then I would counsel against transferring from the PTA to the PTO.

No matter your situation, there are several ways to make sure that your school and your kids get to see the benefits of the funds. There's no way you should lose even $1.

Good luck,

Tim

PTO Today Founder
19 years 6 months ago #76367 by Duffster
Replied by Duffster on topic RE: Transfering existing PTA money to PTO
As far as I know we couldn't so instead we "spent" the money by making a check to the school for the Principal to use and he used it for what ever we wanted. I do remember having to "use up" the money.

Duffy
Not sure why I think legal mumbo but our treasurer handled it. Maybe ask a Tax person.
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