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Panic - PTA Reps coming!

21 years 5 months ago #75299 by Publisher
Hi SAF -

Not sure that I agree that "scare tactics on 501(c)(3) are valid."

The post above says that AZinPA was told that IRS would immediately come in and take 30% of assets. That's flat-out untrue.

The accurate thing is that there are 501(c)(3) implications to dissolving. A 501(c)(3) is required to have dissolution language in its bylaws, and -- usually -- that language includes something about the assets of the 501(c)(3) going toward another 501(c)(3). It doesn't say it has to be immediate ("right this very second") and typical bylaws don't specify who that other 501(c)(3) is.

The IRS doesn't go back and re-assess "past" fundraisers. If those fundraisers were "OK" when they were done, they don't become "not OK" when you dissolve. That doesn't happen.

The "we're going to tell IRS on you" threat is only valid in the sense that a) IRS may check that you followed your dissolution clause when dissolving (though they're a bit busy :)) and b) IRS may want to see that -- if there's a new group in place, the new group is following IRS rules on its funds. Of course, that's not a problem either for a new group that applies for its own 501(c)(3).

I've talked to a lot of IRS nonprofit specialists (they speak at our conferences) and they're amazingl;y helpful and they understand that small nonprofits don't have all kinds of staff and legal help to get them through these processes. If you make a well-intentioned mistake, they look to help (not hunt).

Just my $0.02.

Tim
21 years 5 months ago #75298 by SAFin RI
What are you affraid of??
Let the State or local PTA make their case to the parents, then you make yours.
Democracy in action!!!!
As far as assets of the PTA..(money,etc.) run down the account to benifit the school if the vote is to go PTO
Scare tactic of 501 (c) 3 is valid... state and IRS can demand taxes on "profits" from any fundraising, also any sales taxes can be demanded.
21 years 6 months ago #75297 by <AZinPA>
Replied by <AZinPA> on topic RE: Panic - PTA Reps coming!
I can think of one big reason for going PTO. It's all that money it costs you to be PTA. If you're really into being a PTA, that's great but if you're on the fence then doesn't all the money put you on the PTO side?
21 years 10 months ago #75296 by jenjen
Replied by jenjen on topic RE: Panic - PTA Reps coming!
Our PTA has considered being PTO instead of PTA. I think I have convince them that we worked this hard to go to PTA why GO BACK! Why tear down soemthing that has been built from the hands of our predecessors?

PTA or PTO we are all parents who want to make a Difference...and WE CAN!
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21 years 10 months ago #75295 by &lt;AZinPA&gt;
Replied by &lt;AZinPA&gt; on topic RE: Panic - PTA Reps coming!
I just read this discussion and it sounds so much like what i just went through. We've been a PTA for years, but our Board recently decided to look into, just look into, becoming a PTO. Not knowing any better, I called our state PTA office and I couldn't believe how I was treated. I haven't been spoken to like that since I was in 5th grade myself!

We were probably leaning toward staying PTA but I'm definitely pushing for PTO now. The importnat thing is that we're doing great things for the kids. This person made it seem like I was Atilla the Hun for even thinking about PTO. That's wrong. She'll speak at our meeting over my dead body.
22 years 3 months ago #75294 by Publisher
<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by &lt;AZinPA&gt;:
When it became evident that things were not going their way, they became rude and kept returning to the idea that we couldn't be a nonprofit without them. They made some big mistakes, including speaking to adults as if they were wayward, uninformed children. Finally, when they TOLD us they would "seize" our books, I had enough......
Once again, my gratitude to those who offered advice and support and to this site!
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Hi AZ -

Sounds like you guys handled yourselves well. As you found out, it is absolutely possible to *not* be a PTA and still do things by the books. Thousands of PTOs are proving that every day.

Keep an eye out for some developments coming this summer from PTO Tday. We'll be making it easier than ever for PTOs to get and keep their houses in order.

Glad the site's been helpful.

Best wishes for a great kick-off for your new organization. I'm sure you'll find that you're doing virtually the same work -- all for the kid of the kids at school.

Tim
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